The local Postperson

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Comment by Mail Art Martha on November 18, 2013 at 7:08pm

I also use a snail carrying post as a symbol of  SnailMail, the opposite of eMail. I have done that for ages but I do not think you have breached any copyright laws, Heleen. I haven't got any in my Queendom.

Comment by Mail Art Martha on November 18, 2013 at 6:59pm

Hey no! Heleen! I wasn't refering specifically to your posted pictures. The truth is that I haven't got a lot of time when I get here so I didn't perhaps made myself very clear. I consider a breach of copyright if work is lifted and used as part of a new piece without permission and acknowledgement.  Besides copyright does end after a while, as you pointed out. So please forgive me if I gave you the wrong impression.

Another point; how could we write thesis and essays it we couldn't add pictures to them? that is what Yves is hinting at, I think. That book looks great and I would like it very much if Yves makes a piece based on it. I bet it has beautiful engravings inside. Unusually for two heavy volumnes, they float!

Comment by yves maraux on November 18, 2013 at 10:41am

some will probably use this encyclopedy ( 2d hand) , ready for digital copy ( are you ready)

Comment by Heleen de Vaan on November 18, 2013 at 9:39am

What a friendly postman Kevin is, Mail Art Martha! Thank you for sharing!

Regarding the subject "copyright", Gabriele Astrid mentioned, it's a different subject, so I would prefer to not spend too many words in this beautiful group about Postperson. But as it seems that you are replying specifically to the pictures I had posted, I feel the need to dedicate one paragraph to the subject as a reply in this group (and after that, I'll continue only about Postperson here).
The reason that I published the picture here, is that pictures are easier to access (and Joseph Roulin suits very well between the photos of nowadays Postpeople), than an url of which it's not clear which picture exactly has been meant, to a website in a language many people don't understand.
I was surprised by your assumption that I would not respect copyrighted material. If there's anyone who in general is used to be careful about copyright (and copyleft) then it's me.
I thought that Vincent van Gogh has deceased more than 70 years ago, sadly, and the length of 'copyright' in both his birth- and home-country is 70 years (see this map). So I felt free to share his beautiful painting with all people who love both Art and Postpersons. To the people in this IUOMA group.
If you mean that there's any copyright to the photographer of Van Gogh's work, or to the museum, than I would be even more surprised. Many people don't have the opportunity to see the paintings of van Gogh (the owner of the work) in real, so by spreading on the internet as much as possible, everyone is able to enjoy the wonderful paintings of this artist, who sadly wasn't able to feel and hear about our admiration for his work during his life.
If you meant there's exclusive copyrigth to the photographer of other people's work (like the work of Van Gogh), than I would think the photographer is 'decorating with borrowed plumes', and even more, in case the photographers use it for commercial purposes, I would have been sad that they now get the (financial) credits which in fact Van Gogh earned but never got.

Furthermore (and that's the last I'll write offtopic in this group for now), the picture of Joseph Roulin is from Wiki Commons. When you click on the link on the right of 'Permisson', this message appears: Gemälde für Commons. I don't understand the complete text, as German is not my native language (strange enough the text is not in English), however I think that here also is written something about the fact that more than 70 years after an artist's death, the work doesn't have copyright anymore: "Es handelt sich um 10.000 Scans von gemeinfreien Werken (Maler ist seit mindestens 70 Jahren tot)."

The 'copyright' discussion of course can be continued somewhere, but in this Local Postperson group I'd like to get back to the topic of this group.

Comment by Mail Art Martha on November 17, 2013 at 6:55pm

Gabriele, you are right about infringment to copyright. The internet is awash with it and it is very wrong.  I do not use material that has a copyright attached, only that which is free. Anyhow there are lots of people who put their work up to be downloaded for free, luckily. It is a very nice thing to be able to exchage one's work like this, so all I put in my websites is free of course, I feel we are all part of a large community. Here is my postman Kevin, who fully agreed to be photographed for IUOMA. He takes an interest on the mail art  I receive and says we are the people who may keep the post going. I think he soon will be a rare breed!

Comment by Heleen de Vaan on November 16, 2013 at 10:42am

Apologize for some typing errors in my previous post (and all future posts) :-).

An important thing I forgot to mention is that the rate of sending out mail per country, the affinity people are having for postal matters, also depends on other factors. Factors on which people don't have any influence.

I think we are very lucky to have the opportunity to be able to send out mail whenever we wish to do so. Many people in many countries don't have easy access to the postal system. For instance because of lack of an all-embracing, everywhere available system, and/or due to too expensive postage rates, and other reasons.

I'm sure that there are many people from countries we hardly see in IUOMA or Postcrossing, who would have loved to send much mail, if ever they would have the opportunity. People who now are forced to have other priorities, like a daily struggle for life, food, a roof above their heads.

Comment by Heleen de Vaan on November 16, 2013 at 10:29am

Thanks for attracting our attention to Joseph Roulin, Gabriele!
Here he is, the postman! (And many more paintings, and even a photo.)

The question whether Vincent van Gogh would have been a passionated and enthusiastic Mail Artist or not, I think hard to answer, I think. Are illustrated letters Mail Art or Mailed Art?

Anyhow, I would have loved to this painter as a colleague member of the IUOMA.
However I think he would have been spending more time offline, in order to create, than being online and discuss with all of us. He corresponded with his brother Theo, but did he correspond with many others, like we, digitally, do here?

Concerning your last question, I think Dutch aren't much different to people in other countries. Many people I know don't ever get the twinkle in their eyes like I do, when hearing the word 'post', 'mail', 'mail art'.
I think there are a few who are sending out a lot of mail, and many who hardly send any mail.

A nice indicator is the Postcrossing site: you can see how many postcards are sent per country, and how many people per country are member of Postcrossing (see this table).
When counting, I see that the rate of Dutch postcrossing members (so postcard senders/receivers) is 18 per 10,000 inhabitants. In Germany there are 4 per 10,000 inhabitants, Finland 30 (!) per 10,000 inhabitants, the USA has 14 per 10,000 inhabitans, Canada 2 per 10,000, Taiwan 17 per 10,000, Ukraine 4.4 per 10,000, and Belarus 18 per 10,000 inhabitants, too. Many postcrossers are avid Postperson lovers and as this IUOMA Group is about the Local Postperson, I think this is a nice video and discussion to share here, too: see this post.

Comment by Katerina Nikoltsou (MomKat) on November 13, 2013 at 6:56am

Oh, but not all that is for me?

If no fit in the small mailboxes, throw on stairs !

Comment by Katerina Nikoltsou (MomKat) on November 13, 2013 at 6:54am

Our Greek mail man arriving with mail art :-)

Comment by Rod Summers / VEC on October 14, 2013 at 8:20pm

The postperson in Venice does not use a bicycle!

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