Asemic Writing for Mail-Artists

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Comment by Kerri Pullo on March 26, 2013 at 2:06pm

DVS-

"i don't care how many friends i lose over this Asemic bullshit...the theory is bad the practice as an art form is totally flawed and i will not put up with blatant silliness i'm getting totally pissed off with these fools they seem to have so little knowledge of what they are making and doing!!!! really getting to me!!!!" - PS

Comment by Rebecca Guyver on March 26, 2013 at 2:02pm

All very interesting. As the recipient of the Vermeulen / Pullo collaboration and an asemics  spectator (my dictionary doesn't even like the word), I have been inspired by the variety of asemics approaches I've seen here.  It;s just great! It seems to me that  while we all have our own handwriting and aesthetic interests and I like the 'game' of labeling I  am curious about stridently seeing work as 'in' or 'out'.

Comment by De Villo Sloan on March 26, 2013 at 1:58pm

Kerri, just don't let it discourage you.

 

When Ron Silliman closed down the comment stream on his blog, part of his explanation stated: "I learned early on poetry is a contact sport."

 

Asemics and vispo extend beyond mail-art, and in some communities dialogue seems like a form of armed combat. Your work has moved into those areas which is good, but, yeah, the game changes. Just don't be intimidated or feel bad about your work because, and not even necessarily with PS, part of the strategy is to assign you to the lower levels of a hierarchy.

Comment by De Villo Sloan on March 26, 2013 at 1:50pm

Then the issue with Pete Spence (a poet & vispoet I do respect very much btw) is that he objects to the whole idea of asemic writing?

Comment by Kerri Pullo on March 26, 2013 at 1:35pm

Guido, I had a further conversation with Pete as I wanted to try to understand his comment. He seems to me a kind person with quite an irritation over Asemics. He clearly stated I had no idea what I was doing. I am sure he did not intend to call me a fool, or to call my work blatant silliness, but he did. And I am sure you did not intend to call me a moron for following fashion, but indeed you did! I love fashion! I love Asemics! Sillisemics! I don't really care what you call it. It makes me happy. It is also fascinating to ponder these philosophical questions so all in all this has been a great few days! It has been quite some time since I have frustrated my brain with my thought without language debate so it's always good that I spend some extra time working out my neural networks! So Cheers to Pete! That's what I say.

Comment by De Villo Sloan on March 26, 2013 at 8:22am

And Guido - please, please don't think I am being bitchy toward you. I am not. I am more interested in understanding reactions to the collab by you and Kerri due to the vispo-asemic crossover I think I see in the work. I am frustrated with my own inability to understand this Pete Spence perspective.

Comment by De Villo Sloan on March 26, 2013 at 7:55am

Cheryl Penn and I began using the term Asemics during the book projects. It was probably a term of convenience. With asemic writing, asemic is an adjective. Asemics is a noun. So this Pete Spence thing is simply about whether it is appropriate to use the term Asemics? I gathered there was more to it than that.

Guido, with great respect:

"Once Asemics have been seen or visualized, they are no longer Asemics because they have been read, or viewed or whatever."

I am missing something. I do not understand what this means. The only conclusion I can draw from this sentence is a suggestion Asemics would have to be invisible to meet the definition.

Further:

"the contradiction between Vispo and asemics is a fake one"

Again, during the book project when Cheryl was here (Lord that she be here now) we had some rancour involving members who were disagreeing about the relationship between vispo and asemic writing. Some people claimed the work some people were doing was not asemic. I did not pay all that much attention.

In the Pete Spence thing, as related here, I can see the possibility of an argument that visual poetics and asemic writing are possibly a contradiction?

I also heard a comment was made somebody needed to study the philosophy of language before doing asemic writing?

Anyway, this stuff is very difficult to discuss online. These issues have been raised in this group before. I wish someone could clearly explain the issue.

Comment by Guido Vermeulen on March 26, 2013 at 3:12am

Pete Spence (Australia) made an interesting comment on Facebook, connected with the AB of Kerri and I. It was not a reaction on the book but on the use of the word ASEMICS altogether. Once Asemics have been seen or visualized, they are no longer Asemics because they have been read, or viewed or whatever. Personnally I agree with this, the contradiction between Vispo and asemics is a fake one but of course I am not the pope (thank the gods in which I do not believe anyway for that), so I CAN BE VERY WRONG in my opinions and am lucky I can be wrong! Otherwise we all have become fasci ...

To use Fasci is interesting DVS because after all Marinetti (Italian futurists / the whole words in liberation expressions who were so important for the development of later vispo) were fasci or supported the Duce...

Fashion is fasci, I think, people who follow fashion are brainwashed morrons..

Or to paraphrase Jesus X: father, forgive them because they do not know what they are doing, hmmm

Comment by De Villo Sloan on March 25, 2013 at 11:56am

OK, so some of our intrepid asemicists have discovered there is an asemic writing community beyond mail-art. There are people with some very fixed definitions, which we came to call Asemic Correctness. For this group. what always works best is to follow your heart. If you want to know more, you can benefit from what we learned here and recorded in the intros to the Asemics 16. Just remember, children write asemically before they can write their own languages.

http://iuoma-network.ning.com/group/asemicwritingformailartists/for...

Comment by De Villo Sloan on March 25, 2013 at 1:33am

That one is a beauty John (& Jim). And I'd like to see that performance. Nice score.

Kerri! I'm being complimentary! Wish there was an emoticon to know who's serious and who is not.

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