Are you working both in Mail-Art and Fluxus? If yes, what is the difference for you when you work in one of the fields

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Just like Michael Lumb's thesis I also made Honoria's thesis available online. If someone has other books available in digital form, I would be most hapy to place them in the bookshop for you and make them available for free as a download.

Just a quick note RE: Mark Bloch and his FIFOMA (which rhymes w/ IOUMA),

He will tell you up and down that people stamping their mailart with FLUXUS is not FLUXUS.

And that most people claiming to be Fluxus these days are NOT fluxus.

Just keep doing what you want to do and let Mark Bloch be Mark Bloch.

FIFOMA is what he calls us - He can call us whatever he wants to, but he can't take away the Fluxus Attitude.

Hi Mehrl,

Thanks for the comment. I am doing just that for some time now. That MB needs a word that rimes with IUOMA is his choice. He is even part of the IUOMA group on Facebook......... Is he a member or not? He has to make his mind up I guess.

OUR FLUX,

what if someone fluxus and does'nt know he/she is fluxing, is he/she still flux?

i work for fluxus, this is mail-art etc.

thank u. ACME.

new artists still learn from the past.Old artists are part of the past.

A longtime mailartist (won't name names here) recently told me it is irritating to him to see people making mailart and using a rubber stamp "FLUXUS" on their mailart--- He thinks they feel they are VALIDATING THEIR MAILART by using the fluxus name, and that is a misuse. But the same could be said of DADA or simply an ART rubber stamp in terms of VALIDATION -- and how is it even a big deal to "feel the power" of fluxus by stamping your mailart as such before sending it out into the flow?

Many people say that TODAY that fluxus label should be considered "neo"fluxus -- but "historical fluxus" was also once considered "neo" -- so what is the difference? As I see it, the only difference has to do with institutions who collect historical fluxus "BIG NAMES" and want to label their collected venue as a movement. But fluxus was never a movement. Declaring it as a historical movement fixed in time benefits these collectors because it LIMITS what's out there to be collected, thus increasing the individual value of fluxus memorabilia. Fluxus is a fluid, ever-evolving 'attitude'. You either 'get it' or you don't.

If you've read manifestos/texts by many of the 'historical' figures ('old artists'), you should understand that fluxus was not really a "movement" in the context of art history. In terms of labeling, I prefer the "early fluxus" label for Maciaunas, Higgins, etc. to "historical fluxus movement" because the word "fluxus" refers to an attitude, not just to early fluxus events and people. I think that when mailartists use the terms "DADA" and "FLUXUS", they are not trying to breathe new life into a dead movement, rather they are embracing the spirit of those 'attitudes'. 

when something irritates it hits a nerve.

We shouldn't worry on what others call our work. We should only just do our work. Artists and art critics shouldn't sit in the same chair.

But by Visual Mom's words I learned that sometimes the artist is the art critic (so there's only one chair)  :-)

 

I agree with Ruud, who says we should not worry about how people call our works, but just do our work.

However, apparently I need some 'labels', too :-)
To answer Ruud's question "Are you working both in Mail-Art and Fluxus? If yes, what is the difference for you when you work in one of the fields?", I have the following thoughts:

For me there's indeed a difference between the mail I'm sending out. I register (if I don't forget) my outgoing mail, and in my little archive (just a notebook) I distinguish my 'mail art' from my 'fluxus' mail. So in this notebook there's (abbreviated) MA mail and there's Flux mail.

For me, mail art is mainly Art: drawn, painted, certain collages (not all), and also stamp prints if I carved or designed the stamp by myself. And nowadays some fabric, thread and so too, when used in a more 'art' than 'craft' way. (Please don't misunderstand: I'm speaking for myself, not 'judging' others or so - every mail that has been sent to me by a mail artist I consider mail art! - unless they name it otherwise, of course :-) )

The pieces of my outgoing mail which I'm giving the label 'Flux' mainly is spontaneous, made fast (as to me 'fluxus', flowing, goes rapid - the word 'flux' pronounciated for Dutch sounds a bit like 'vlug' - fast). It is not always 'art'-like, and a little weird (not according to me, but according to narrow-minded people, or my brother :-).
And by sending it to someone, there's communication, which also is essential, to my opinion, for fluxus.
Examples of works I consider 'fluxus' rather than 'mail art', are e.g. pieces of wood in a not-really-appreciated-(by-the-post-company)-size-or-shape, sent 'naked'; a coaster; a cardboard package, altered a little (like this part of a pizza box, alas you can't see the back side here); napkins in their original plastic package;  the CD I had found in the street, also sent 'naked' (but the post company protected it by adding an envelope, oh how I love this extra 'communication'!) and that kind of things.

Thinking this way, to my opinion also W. Reginald Bray is a Fluxus artist as well. For the ones who don't know him: he posted himself, and onions, and tried to post a baby (alas not accepted by the Royal Mail). More than 100 years ago!

Am I a 'real' fluxus artist when I call some of my outgoing mail 'fluxus'? To my opinion: 'yes', and maybe to other's opinions 'no'. So be it, it's okay, too. However, most people around me don't know what 'fluxus' is (they don't even know 'mail art'!..).

I happened to have bought a book in 2011, 'Fluxus and the essential questions of life', edited by Jacquelynn Baas, and I didn't (take time to) read it, but I watched the pictures, and my conclusion was - and still is - that my idea of my own 'fluxus' is correct. At least for me.
And I will think any other artist creating 'fluxus' art, too, when he or she considers it 'fluxus', too!

labels are always fun. You never can have enough of them.

That book I still have to order. Where did you order it? (essential questions of life....)?

Here (a paperback / softcover version), but I see it's also available here, and a hardcover version here (there is a bookstore from Libris in Breda, too, so I think your local book shop might order it, too).

If you wish I can lend/send it to you, let me know! 

As I have a huge pile of books-still-to-be-read, and this one isn't on top of this pile yet, I probably won't miss it, the coming years :-) .

 

'Can never have enough labels', I didn't see it that way before, but I think you are right :-)

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