Freud asked it only about women, and he concluded that what they want is to be men. Apparently he already knew what men want, or maybe he didn't care.

I propose a continuation of the discussion, begun elsewhere in IUOMA, of the meaning of nudity in art and erotic art and degrading erotic images, and man's cruelty to man and to woman, and other stuff like that.

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A famous artist once wrote:
So viel ich weiss hatte Nietsche ein relativ "delikates" aber auch recht inniges Verhältnis zu Frauen, immerhin wurde sein Leben durch ein weibliches familiäresTriumphirat gemanaged...
Ist Philosophieren auf diesen social networks überhaupt möglich? Manchmal werde ich an Kafeneion-Diskussionen erinnert. Ein Kafeneion ist auch ein social network.

But what does that mean?

Babelfish says it means:
So much I white had relatively " Niet; delikates" in addition, quite intimate relationship to women, nevertheless its life by a female familiäresTriumphirat gemanaged…
Is Philosophieren at all possible on these social networks? Sometimes I am reminded of Kafeneion discussions. A Kafeneion is also social a network.

I think the first paragraph may be an inaccurate translation. Can anyone help with this?
Korrektur: Also sprach Zarathustra NietZsche wird mit Z geschrieben,vor, auch und vor allem nachdem Lou von Salomé Nein sagte...
"Correction: Thus Zarathustra NietZ pronounced with Z is written, also and above all after Lou of Salomé no said… Sorry"
The same famous artist also inspired me to start this Cafe. What men and women really want is a difficult question. If I become too general it would be: "Have a good life", but it is ore complicated. To have a good life we must do more than we want to. Some go to the xtremes to get the most simple thing. One of them is for instant gettin g respect. Respect comes from others but we only get it when we also respect ourself. I must think it over a bit more. Writing about these kind of subjects in another language is not easy. I guess that Dutch isn't that accesible for all too. Thank god for bablefish.
I like your first answer, Ruud: "a difficult question"
That's what we really want.
When all the questions are answered, what is left to do?
Just sit and play with our koboloi till another question arises.
All real life is answering questions and solving problems.
Sometimes asking questions causes so many answers, more than one can deal with. Asking the right question might get you the answer you are looking for. And yes, probably will cause another question. So difficult questions might cause few answers but maybe one needs only one.
What do (men and) women want? I think: HARMONY, all around themselves.
I want it.
An embrace.
I think most want peace and health. After that friendships and whatever relationship develops. Artists want more art and hopefully the financial security to continue.

what do I want? Gee. You'd have to read all that is available in the net about me, and also contemplate my artwork


As a single man, I consider sex with women as something beautiful and joyful, and I like sex in art. I don't think it degrades woman, a naked picture, or a XXX cumshot, because its consensual, there's agreement. Degradation comes in other ways, for both, man and woman, and has nothing to do with love and sex. This is the liberal point of view. In my personal life, I hate violence, saddism and masochism. I have an image in my work that could be seen as a violent act against a girl. it was a momentaneous gesture that seems to be caused by a hit, a punch, a slap, or something. Not at all, it was a casual gesture of girls sensuality, that was in fact used against gender violence:

What we all want? In my case I want success in love and in my career, and economic success. Sometimes I think that those who have economic success also have more probabilities to acquaint non-material aims. But money is not easy to obtain. The pursuit of happiness is a powerful engine in my life.

Yes, certainly a look of pleasure can be mistaken for a look of pain. Maybe that's why some people are opposed to showing sexual images -- because the confusion between the two may give the wrong impression, especially to children.

When I was a child, I thought my father was a monster who sometimes took my mother downstairs to beat her. The fact that he put a gentle hand on her and urged her toward the basement door, as they were both telling my sisters and me to get back upstairs and get in bed, just made it more disturbing. Twenty years later, one of my sisters told me she hated my father, and wanted nothing to do with him and just wished he would die. When I asked why, she said it was because of those beatings. She reminded me of how we used to sit on the staircase in terror, listening to our mother's screams and moans, wishing we were strong enough to defend her against the brute. I had to remind my sister that in our tiny, crowded house there was always one of us children sleeping in the same room with our parents, and also remind her of the mattress that was always stored in the basement but never used, and ask whether she, having by then married and given birth to two children, could think of any other explanation for what we heard.

César, it sounds like you're saying that as long as you have good intentions, anything you do is morally correct. The fact that you hate violence, sadism, and masochism makes it perfectly acceptable for you to exhibit an image which people will think is a depiction and celebration of violence, sadism, or masochism. Have I understood you correctly?
From a moral point of view, nakedness, sex, porno, are wrong. Moral people, conservative, would rather not take a look at that. When I'm watching videos and the engine takes me to an homosexual (gay) scene, I close my eyes and shut that site, eventhough I'm liberal I feel terrible to be watching that. Then a realize that some people is gay born and they too have the right to have sex between them and to do some porno privatly. Those who want a conservative escenario have the support of law and XXX is still illegal in Mexico but available in some way. But XXX is a strong motivation not only for jerks, married man and woman enjoy that activity without losing sanity and becoming rapers. Opposing of course is a respectable position. People with strong moral values may say we don't want that in our lives. Not only sex. Some people may say we don't want love or affection in our lives, cause they are against the patterns of behaviour, and against our concept of work, and from that point of view, war is fine, violence is cool, peace & love is bullshit. Is that respectable? Ask a soldier, ask a policeman, ask a politician.

Today appeared in the newspaper that people who kisses eachother in the streets of Guanajuato are going to jail: "Con el objetivo de preservar el espacio público como un lugar de convivencia y civismo, la autoridad municipal mandará a prisión a las parejas que se besen con intensidad en lugares públicos", El Siglo de Torreón.

I understand the image I show as a protest against social conditioning who is guilty of the making of couples without considering their will. The picture has the title "Skinner". Last year I appeared in public as a musician. The organizers of the event introduced me to a woman. I didn't like her too much because of her look, and I could not hide that. I didn't talk to her, I felt rather unconfortable by her side. They allowed me to play the sinthesyzer for about 15 minutes and they threw me out. I imagine I don't have a place among them and I don't expect to be invited to play again, and they work for art and culture protecting and promoting art as a gouvernamental activity. But I can't imagine myself pretending a woman I don't like who would make me feel terrible for the rest of my days. Now I understand better the work they really do, the dark side of the moon. And that picture is my protest. Beauty is hard to reject. Why didn't they offer someone beautiful? `Cause they don't want the best for me, 'cause they don't want something good for me. For that reason I consider them a bunch of bastards who call "work" the activity they do.



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