Part of the Massacre : )

[Peter Goudaman]

Here's a part of Cheryl Penn's Authentic Massacre of the Innocent Image...and a fine part it is.  I'm honored.  Thanks so much Cheryl!.

[Peter Goudaman]

What a privelege Cheryl.

[cheryl penn]

P.S.Peter - thank you for providing ANOTHER spot where we can leave the cut-up trail :-)X

[cheryl penn]

Having said that - I may have been expelled too - so I'm whispering the last comment... X

[cheryl penn]

O The Ego - what a cutting device that can turn out to be :-))! It will be good to see all this material in ONE place.

[De Villo Sloan]

I will do a blog (somewhere) on the new material I found about cut-up (now aka fold-in). It really enlarges the understanding. For instance, Burroughs and Gysin really felt they "discovered" it. They didn't say, "Oh let's experiment with that Tzara's method."

I think I told you - it's so funny - Breton personally expelled Gysin from Surrealism - but was before cut-ups.

[cheryl penn]

I think I have to save all this somewhere - I am working on a new book - will send you one - wont do a spoiler - but it is to do with the shrinkage of language rather than the enlarging.  Transgressing the PAGE was different in that it was a book form with pages, NEVER intended for dismantling - funny how the circumstances of the exhibition changed that! Thanks for the other info :-) XX

[De Villo Sloan]

Thanks for clarifying that. Without digging into other dictionaries, it seemed that the human/animal point was the difference. Well, you enlarged language. It seemed as if slaughter and massacre were synonyms. And the rest you wrote too - very good.

I found a quote, too lengthy to transcribe here (but maybe somewhere else), by William S. Burroughs about the cut-up from a 1962 writers' conference in Scotland:

1) At that time he was calling it "Fold-in" rather than cut-up because he was folding text rather than cutting it.

2) Brion Gysin, co-inventor, saw cut-up an extension of "Surrealist parlor tricks." In the quote, Burroughs takes pains to explain that "cut-up" is not Dadaist. DaDaist methods were "mechanical." With cut-up, the artist selects, arranges, omits, manipulates freely and randomness is an element but not the whole of the work.

[cheryl penn]

"Technically, slaughter is for animals and massacre is for people but that distinction has long since been ignored. I see the differences as volume and method. Individuals are slaughtered groups are massacred. Slaughter denotes ritualized death and connotes wanton cruelty. Massacre is unconcerned with method but suggests an inability resist on the part of the victim" - quote.

[cheryl penn]

o o - you reminded me - I got a difference in definition from an English fundi -hold on I'll find it - I meant to post it on your blog... (spelling corrected version...)

[De Villo Sloan]

Nice work. Now this is a massacre of an innocent image, but it's not a transgression of the page? I love the work but can't get the projects sorted out.