Yes, I am the lucky person to receive it Cheryl, but Bruno is obviously prolific. I think Cheryl deserves huge accolades for organizing this project. Although I don't know why she just didn't let DVS do it all.
DK - Your running commentary on the project really brings a lot to the whole process. I look forward to your insightful remarks. It's always useful to have feedback.
Oh yeah DVS it goes without saying that you deserves huge accolades as well, I was just responding to the difficulty of organizing things. And I meant to put a huge smiley face at the end of my last comment:O=)^_^=D
Bruno, I just woke up of a nap, tuned in, and your re-blue work popped out at me. It's awesome! I love the color you are working on and the asemics are totally you. Just great, great great, Bruno. The color of your support paper looks very simlar to the color I am using, as my nesting, book page paper.
Just yesterday, I decribed it to someone as, " the color of Cheryl Penn's eyes - only not as intense". I am always accusing Diane of practicing magic, but you must be practing it as well. The past couple of days, I too have been have been working with wax paper, but in a different way. The desire to use wax is Cheryl's influence (for me). Plus.... I have been going through more gesso and ink and Dorland's than I have paint. I'm using it in a different way though, as I am experimenting with a texture I want.
Ironing it, crumpling it, shredding it. Eerie. After we get back from the market, I'll look through what I have scanned and see if I have a decent sample of the of the texture. You know how I like to experiment.
Prettylily - FAB work! My word - yes, its weird how aesthetic ideas seems to coalesce within a community. If this is what we can expect for the Asemics Books - WOW - these are gong to be prizes! I am working on my first 16. So far so good. Started out with a printed image on all 8 pages, but each work will be hand colored/worked too. I LIKE original - so I GIVE original :-) X
Thank you all for your kind words of encouragement!
Gee whiz, don't mean to make you blush, Buno. I wouldn't mind having one of those little re-blue jewels. My arm is twistable.
What I meant about magic is I can be thinking of something, go to the PO for my mail, open the mailbox and there is something from Diane. It's kind if eerie. Did you see the piece I posted that she sent me last week? Super fine!
Yes, it's wax paper. Ordinary kind, ironed to remove some of the wax. Then added ink, added a little Dorland's wax medium to the back and a little Golden's long fiber medium, There are several sheets, layered. I also used a plain sheet of wax paper to give it more depth. The back layer is a piece of vellum that was used to doodle, stamp, test colors, etc. I never throw anything out!
I was pleased with the results. Funny how the wax paper photographs when used this way. Makes me want to touch the regular copy paper to feel the layers.
Cheryl, you never should have introduced me to the Novgorod Codex! Just kidding......I am so happy you did.
I'm do value all of your comments and I'm glad you guys like it. Before this current book project, I was doing some printing experiments, so this all falls right in line with my personal art voyage. Some of you have received a few of them.
Samuel, your new piece is teriffic. It's a piece that would lend it self well to hand coloring. Is that what you did?
Some of you are on my IOU list right now, so please forgive me if I am a little slower than usual! Many thanks to all of you! It's hard to catch you all on line because of the time difference.
Hello everyone :-) - prettylily - thanks for tips - Novgorod Codex - yip, its a goodie. Diane - yes, I think so?? Our sketch pads are about 220grm paper?? After the size issue - not sure if the grammage measurements are the same??? Out standard document paper is 80grm (THIN!!!!) 160grm a good weight - do you have that? Bruno - no red eyes - your words - dead blue - that a clue??
I have posted the addresses I am able to find and thank you to the few who sent me theirs. Please CHECK that you address is right - if not, tell me, I will correct it.
Question about putting the book together. Should we be mindful "image" placement if there's going to be space taken up by the binding? Not sure this is clear, as I don't have the language of book making.
I have started a new discussion - Sneak Previews :-) - I hope this answers the binding question? The gutter (middle of the two pages) is where the books will be bound. BUT this does not mean the information cannot run through there, to right abound the other side. Asemics - they're a different form of writing, so your handling of the page - that can of course be different too.
Dear Skybridge, it looks to me like you worked through your theoretical issues with asemic writing. What you've posted seems excellent to me and in keeping with all the discussions going on here. Welcome.
lo ñoño el mitote la cumbre lo fúnebre el fin la camisona lo “nombrado” el brazo la escalera lo tuerco el dineral la niebla lo sobado el peso la fin ada
forkface you was ak ak ak ka ka an spillage cluck a sp oon )cuanaca ,clerk( )the seconds flopping( ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thighs ))curl(( in the p a n
Some folks say it's meaningless, so I guess it's asemic to them. So here ya go. I don't think it's asemic at all, but then I'm nuts, eh? Actually, I kinda think there really ain't no such thing as something truly asemic... maybe "god" would be truly asemic?
Are we talking about John's poem or the piece Skybridge posted? I don't think what John posted is asemic. I'm not sure why I asked originally. I thinking I was wondering if it was about asemics somehow. I think what Skybridge did suggests the concepts and there are some interesting forms to work with.
Agreed, nothing is random, and agreed, language is the social medium por excelencia par excelence
seeing my text as asemic is an extremist way of seeing it, but it's interesting to think about it in that way
categories like "asemic" or "textual" etc are ways to organize perceptions and thinking, but do not necessarily reflect the reality of experience
It's often revealing to think about something as if it were something else.
Another thing to ponder is that the visual and/or sonic dimensions of a poem include aspects that most people would consider asemic: these are only some of the dimensions of a poem - or of any text, perhaps. One may not be fully conscious of these elements, but they are there
John's poem has dislocations of syntax as well as indeterminate words and word references. I also thought it was interesting to ask if that made it asemic. While I'd have to finally say no, there seems to be a real borderland between asemic writing and conventional text.
Some here do use many terms. I'd like to think it's the price you pay for common ground. The work posted seems to constantly defy and question those terms, though.
The idea that language IS society is a provocative kind of statement designed to make people think about it. I think there are many many other things that form a society, or "society" as a general concept. Tho I suppose if ine defines "society" with a number of very specific and limiting parameters, the statement could ne true. (Such mental gymnastics don;t interest me very much, personally; but I know many folks enjoy them!)
The line between asemic writing and abstract art that Bruno describes is somewhat similar to the line between visual poetry and "fine art" that uses language and/or words
not to derail, BUT John also wrote earlier about visual and sonic aspects. I think that means the sound aspect of poetry? The spoken word? Poetry comes out of an oral tradition that was spoken and memorized? Then we've gone through the previous centuries where print dominated and the way it looks on the page became more pronounced. Some poets believe the way they set up the poem on the page and break the lines are a kind of performance score. If I have any of this right, I ponder over what asemic writing would SOUND like? Did i misread?
yes, but societies - which are organization - arose for many more reasons than early writing or writing-like codes. I think the tendencies for organizing came BEFORE the writing, in fact. Well - people have been debating this basic issues for centuries...
anyway, there is a long tradition of performing and/or vocalizing asemic texts; the futurists and dadaists did it all the time. i have done it myself. It's big fun!
It's a sort of expressionistic sprechgesang, almost "singing", all improvised, done as part of performances, I don;t have any recordings handy (maybe someone recorded something out there somewhere?) You have to be there!
Sometimes I do a bit of that with parts of my poems that are less semic before I move into the semic parts...
Bruno, re yr last question: some of my texts are completely asemic in the generally accepted sense of the term, yes - most of that work I did back in the 1980's. Some of my newer work has asemic elements/lines/passages in that sense.
I also will "asemiquize" some passages in performance. by putting something in my mouth, for example.
Blaster Al Ackerman has a great performance he used to do where he read some of his texts with a bar of soap in his mouth. wonderful.
Photographic evidence of the completion of Books 1 and 2. I am just waiting for 2 other members work which I am including in my posting. Work on Book # 3 begins today!
Please will everyone in the Asemics # 3 book check their addresses in the new discussion - thank you "E" :-) Guido - lucky you - and Bruno - I think you're the two who have received the first pages. MAN! I'm looking forward to getting mine! IF i have not received the work I am waiting for by the end of the week I will post mine too - I DONT like seeing it HERE instead of with all of you :-) X
Please also note - there is NO need for the pages you send to be bound in anyway at all. Once everyone has their pieces it will all be bound at the end. I will blog instructions for those who get stuck X
Has the deadline passed to contribute to the Asemic book #3? Having read through the posts with specifications, i am ready to start if this is ok with the powers that be. I have created this type of art for many years not knowing it had a name. thanks. alicia starr.
Si si....De Sloan el arte callejero es de inspircion y parte de lo que estoy trabajando tiene algo de eso, me gusta lo que va saliendo....... se dispararon muchas cosas ya veras.....
cheryl penn
Jun 4, 2011
cheryl penn
Jun 4, 2011
DKeys
Jun 4, 2011
De Villo Sloan
Excellent Cheryl. Thanks for covering....
DK - Your running commentary on the project really brings a lot to the whole process. I look forward to your insightful remarks. It's always useful to have feedback.
Jun 4, 2011
DKeys
Jun 4, 2011
prettylily
Bruno, I just woke up of a nap, tuned in, and your re-blue work popped out at me. It's awesome! I love the color you are working on and the asemics are totally you. Just great, great great, Bruno. The color of your support paper looks very simlar to the color I am using, as my nesting, book page paper.
Just yesterday, I decribed it to someone as, " the color of Cheryl Penn's eyes - only not as intense". I am always accusing Diane of practicing magic, but you must be practing it as well. The past couple of days, I too have been have been working with wax paper, but in a different way. The desire to use wax is Cheryl's influence (for me). Plus.... I have been going through more gesso and ink and Dorland's than I have paint. I'm using it in a different way though, as I am experimenting with a texture I want.
Ironing it, crumpling it, shredding it. Eerie. After we get back from the market, I'll look through what I have scanned and see if I have a decent sample of the of the texture. You know how I like to experiment.
Back later...spouse is draging me out the door.
Sue
Jun 4, 2011
prettylily
Not a finished product. Just an experiment in burying writing with color behind.
Jun 5, 2011
DKeys
Jun 5, 2011
cheryl penn
Jun 5, 2011
Samuel Montalvetti
Jun 5, 2011
cheryl penn
Jun 5, 2011
DKeys
Jun 5, 2011
prettylily
Thank you all for your kind words of encouragement!
Gee whiz, don't mean to make you blush, Buno. I wouldn't mind having one of those little re-blue jewels. My arm is twistable.
What I meant about magic is I can be thinking of something, go to the PO for my mail, open the mailbox and there is something from Diane. It's kind if eerie. Did you see the piece I posted that she sent me last week? Super fine!
Yes, it's wax paper. Ordinary kind, ironed to remove some of the wax. Then added ink, added a little Dorland's wax medium to the back and a little Golden's long fiber medium, There are several sheets, layered. I also used a plain sheet of wax paper to give it more depth. The back layer is a piece of vellum that was used to doodle, stamp, test colors, etc. I never throw anything out!
I was pleased with the results. Funny how the wax paper photographs when used this way. Makes me want to touch the regular copy paper to feel the layers.
Cheryl, you never should have introduced me to the Novgorod Codex! Just kidding......I am so happy you did.
I'm do value all of your comments and I'm glad you guys like it. Before this current book project, I was doing some printing experiments, so this all falls right in line with my personal art voyage. Some of you have received a few of them.
Samuel, your new piece is teriffic. It's a piece that would lend it self well to hand coloring. Is that what you did?
Some of you are on my IOU list right now, so please forgive me if I am a little slower than usual! Many thanks to all of you! It's hard to catch you all on line because of the time difference.
Jun 5, 2011
cheryl penn
Jun 5, 2011
cheryl penn
Jun 6, 2011
Mim Golub Scalin
Jun 7, 2011
cheryl penn
Jun 7, 2011
Mim Golub Scalin
Jun 7, 2011
cheryl penn
Jun 7, 2011
De Villo Sloan
Jun 8, 2011
John M. Bennett
lo ñoño el mitote la cumbre lo fúnebre el fin la camisona lo “nombrado” el brazo la escalera lo tuerco el dineral la niebla lo sobado el peso la fin ada
forkface you was ak ak ak ka ka an spillage cluck a sp oon )cuanaca ,clerk( )the seconds flopping( ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thighs ))curl(( in the p a n
Jun 8, 2011
cheryl penn
Jun 8, 2011
De Villo Sloan
Jun 8, 2011
John M. Bennett
Jun 8, 2011
cheryl penn
Jun 8, 2011
De Villo Sloan
Jun 8, 2011
cheryl penn
Jun 9, 2011
John M. Bennett
Agreed, nothing is random, and agreed, language is the social medium por excelencia par excelence
seeing my text as asemic is an extremist way of seeing it, but it's interesting to think about it in that way
categories like "asemic" or "textual" etc are ways to organize perceptions and thinking, but do not necessarily reflect the reality of experience
It's often revealing to think about something as if it were something else.
Another thing to ponder is that the visual and/or sonic dimensions of a poem include aspects that most people would consider asemic: these are only some of the dimensions of a poem - or of any text, perhaps. One may not be fully conscious of these elements, but they are there
Jun 9, 2011
De Villo Sloan
John's poem has dislocations of syntax as well as indeterminate words and word references. I also thought it was interesting to ask if that made it asemic. While I'd have to finally say no, there seems to be a real borderland between asemic writing and conventional text.
Some here do use many terms. I'd like to think it's the price you pay for common ground. The work posted seems to constantly defy and question those terms, though.
Jun 9, 2011
De Villo Sloan
visual poetry, concrete poetry, haptic poetry, object poetry....
I like what you are saying. The gap between bastract art and asemic writing, yes, that bears considering
Jun 9, 2011
John M. Bennett
The idea that language IS society is a provocative kind of statement designed to make people think about it. I think there are many many other things that form a society, or "society" as a general concept. Tho I suppose if ine defines "society" with a number of very specific and limiting parameters, the statement could ne true. (Such mental gymnastics don;t interest me very much, personally; but I know many folks enjoy them!)
The line between asemic writing and abstract art that Bruno describes is somewhat similar to the line between visual poetry and "fine art" that uses language and/or words
Jun 9, 2011
De Villo Sloan
Jun 9, 2011
John M. Bennett
yes, but societies - which are organization - arose for many more reasons than early writing or writing-like codes. I think the tendencies for organizing came BEFORE the writing, in fact. Well - people have been debating this basic issues for centuries...
anyway, there is a long tradition of performing and/or vocalizing asemic texts; the futurists and dadaists did it all the time. i have done it myself. It's big fun!
Jun 9, 2011
John M. Bennett
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It's a sort of expressionistic sprechgesang, almost "singing", all improvised, done as part of performances, I don;t have any recordings handy (maybe someone recorded something out there somewhere?) You have to be there!
Sometimes I do a bit of that with parts of my poems that are less semic before I move into the semic parts...
Jun 10, 2011
John M. Bennett
Bruno, re yr last question: some of my texts are completely asemic in the generally accepted sense of the term, yes - most of that work I did back in the 1980's. Some of my newer work has asemic elements/lines/passages in that sense.
I also will "asemiquize" some passages in performance. by putting something in my mouth, for example.
Blaster Al Ackerman has a great performance he used to do where he read some of his texts with a bar of soap in his mouth. wonderful.
john
Jun 10, 2011
cheryl penn
A wonderful work received from Rob (Australia), dedicated to Satu Kaikkonen.
Jun 10, 2011
De Villo Sloan
Jun 10, 2011
cheryl penn
Photographic evidence of the completion of Books 1 and 2. I am just waiting for 2 other members work which I am including in my posting. Work on Book # 3 begins today!
Jun 13, 2011
Samuel Montalvetti
Jun 13, 2011
De Villo Sloan
Jun 13, 2011
prettylily
Jun 13, 2011
Guido Vermeulen
Jun 14, 2011
cheryl penn
Jun 15, 2011
cheryl penn
Jun 15, 2011
Alicia Starr
Jun 15, 2011
Samuel Montalvetti
Hola hola
Si si....De Sloan el arte callejero es de inspircion y parte de lo que estoy trabajando tiene algo de eso, me gusta lo que va saliendo....... se dispararon muchas cosas ya veras.....
Salud!
Samuel
Jun 15, 2011
Samuel Montalvetti
Jun 15, 2011
De Villo Sloan
Hola Samuel, yo sé que usted trabaja con mucho material
interesante. Sí, espero ver más. DVS
Jun 15, 2011
prettylily
Jun 15, 2011
De Villo Sloan
Jun 15, 2011