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Comment by De Villo Sloan on May 30, 2011 at 3:58pm

ASEMIC COLLABORATIVE BOOK ANNOUNCEMENT

 

Cheryl Penn and I want to coordinate the production of a book of asemic writing. Members of this group, in particular, are encouraged to consider participating. But it's open to all IUOMA members.

 

We need 12 people. 

 

If you are interested, put a message in this thread indicating you would like to join.

 

We need at least 12 people.

 

More details forthcoming.

Comment by 1cgqtuoblpeqc on May 30, 2011 at 3:39pm

i had been intuiting your HUMAN anchor point, it is nice to see my intuition had been correct. and i don't mean to try to shatter that, but my beliefs are that there is nothing extra special about human experience as opposed to that of frogs, or turtles, or eventually computer systems. i've done some reading and thinking on computer consciousness and i think it is very interesting to consider. codes. some of the asemic works posted by everyone here remind me of google and what they are doing to extract information with thei book project from old texts, incomplete, partially destroyed, etc. but why does it have to look like that, why does it have to look aged? old? foreign? i just can't understand why you would be so hesitant to consider digitized works? personally, i'd like to see something as far removed from a human influence as possible, and called asemics, just to stretch that boundary to the limits. but there will always be a trace of humanity left in whatever digital ripples are created through machines. there will always be an element of humanity.

Comment by cheryl penn on May 30, 2011 at 2:58pm

Taken from De Villo's Wiki article: "Asemic writing, at times, exists as a conception or shadow of conventional writing practices. Reflecting writing, but not completely existing as a traditional writing system, asemic writing seeks to make the reader hover in a state between reading and looking.

Asemic writing has no verbal sense, though it may have clear textual sense. Through its formatting and structure, asemic writing may suggest a type of document and, thereby, suggest a meaning. The form of art is still writing, often calligraphic in form, and either depends on a reader's sense and knowledge of writing systems for it to make sense, or can be understood through aesthetic intuition."

Meaning is not under debate here I dont think? I know that the computer is being used to generate randomness/ poetry/music/art/alternate realities etc etc etc. In terms of a shadow writing system, all the characters which can be accessed through the keyboard are recognizable - lets call them for want of a better word - glyphs - which are KNOWN as existing for/on behalf of current literacy.  The fact that one can re-order them - what does that mean? They are still in use to create language today.  I think we need some parameters? - Well, at least I think I do - I cant speak for anyone else - I mean, just now, the footsteps left behind by a chicken can be construed as asemic marks! I dont think that is what we are attempting to do here.  Yes, EVERYTHING is open to the stars as far as boundaries for ANYTHING goes it seems to me. Here, how about a more definitive practice? Firstly, what about the use of the unconscious - a HUMAN unconscious?  What about the 'hovering' between reading and looking? What about aesthetic intuition? Those are human qualities, Lets try this art form ourselves, instead of dishing it over to technology? A Human Writing System of The Unconscious? Textual in nature, intuitive in practice, of aesthetic value (open of course), worthwhile in execution? 

Comment by 1cgqtuoblpeqc on May 30, 2011 at 1:58pm

(or if i did say something to that effect, it was because i was trying to digest the "first sentence" from wikipedia, which used the word semantics - which was unclear, so i looked that up and i found meaning = sematics. if i did say something about it being "meaningless," that was never my intent?)

Comment by 1cgqtuoblpeqc on May 30, 2011 at 1:42pm

and kat, if early scripts are asemic to you, does it matter then if they are encoded as opposed to hand-written? or does that lose its asemicity (to you) once digitized? and if you say it needs to be hand written, what about hand written, then photographed.

 

i'm just interested in boundaries.

 

borders of where ocean meets land.

 

i like to see how deep one can go, and still crawl back to safe haven when the day is done. it makes me happy. ;-D

Comment by 1cgqtuoblpeqc on May 30, 2011 at 1:38pm

nobody said anything about it being meaningless. the closest anyone said to that was when i said void of absolute meaning, which goes with the concept of interpretability<sp?> in asemics. as far as i know we are all in agreement that there is meaning. what i was saying is, meaning is absolutely dependent on context. what i am saying i there is as much meaning to be found in say a chunk of rock, or a blue sky, or a starry night, or a sequence of characters streming across a monitor. there is always information to be extracted, but what you get after extracting is all dependent on context.

 

but, as bruno likes so much to point out, i am apparently out of context, so perhaps i am meaningless here. ;-D

Comment by De Villo Sloan on May 29, 2011 at 11:29pm

there's a discussion?

Comment by 1cgqtuoblpeqc on May 29, 2011 at 11:12pm

@DVS: i uploaded some basketball poetry i figured you would like to see.

i'd call it asemic, but... ;-D

Comment by 1cgqtuoblpeqc on May 29, 2011 at 11:08pm

i don't do art to stay in context.

art is my way out of the system.

if i wanted to be inside the system, i'd work in assembly line.

Comment by De Villo Sloan on May 29, 2011 at 7:49pm

SH, geez man, please keep posting. I'm going to dig up some more things about aemic writing that should help too.And SH has a really good point - people are doing interesting things with poetry and randomness generating software.

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