Fluxus and Mail-Art , Fluxus or Mail-Art - International Union of Mail-Artists2024-03-29T08:15:37Zhttp://iuoma-network.ning.com/forum/topics/fluxus-and-mailart-fluxus-or?commentId=2496677%3AComment%3A1611000&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThose have to be nice "fuzzy"…tag:iuoma-network.ning.com,2014-01-21:2496677:Comment:14594202014-01-21T17:39:08.035ZKaterina Nikoltsou (MomKat)http://iuoma-network.ning.com/profile/KaterinaNikoltsou
<p>Those have to be nice "fuzzy" "Haptic" "FluXus" letters, Ruud! And for 2015!</p>
<p>How about FluxFest Chicago, 2014?</p>
<p>Pity it is in the winter (February)...if it were in May, I'd be there :-)</p>
<p>I am sending a FluxBox...is it FluXus? or Mail Art? or BOTH!</p>
<p>It is what it is (and i have the rubber stamps to prove it :-)…</p>
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<p>Those have to be nice "fuzzy" "Haptic" "FluXus" letters, Ruud! And for 2015!</p>
<p>How about FluxFest Chicago, 2014?</p>
<p>Pity it is in the winter (February)...if it were in May, I'd be there :-)</p>
<p>I am sending a FluxBox...is it FluXus? or Mail Art? or BOTH!</p>
<p>It is what it is (and i have the rubber stamps to prove it :-)</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51075340?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51075340?profile=original" width="480" class="align-full"/></a></p> it aqctually is a mail-art ca…tag:iuoma-network.ning.com,2014-01-19:2496677:Comment:14571772014-01-19T09:05:56.286ZRuud Janssenhttp://iuoma-network.ning.com/profile/RuudJanssen
<p><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51074986?profile=original"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51074986?profile=original" width="640"/></a>it aqctually is a mail-art card for the future.</p>
<p><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51074986?profile=original"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51074986?profile=original" width="640"/></a>it aqctually is a mail-art card for the future.</p> Here (a paperback / softcover…tag:iuoma-network.ning.com,2014-01-16:2496677:Comment:14549332014-01-16T21:30:37.877ZHeleen de Vaanhttp://iuoma-network.ning.com/profile/HeleendeVaan
<p><a href="http://www.bol.com/nl/p/fluxus-and-the-essential-questions-of-life/1001004011066350/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Here</a> (a paperback / softcover version), but I see it's also available <a href="http://www.amazon.de/Fluxus-Essential-Questions-Life-Jacquelynn/dp/0226033597/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389906709&sr=8-1&keywords=fluxus-and-the-essential-questions-of-life" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>, and a hardcover version …</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bol.com/nl/p/fluxus-and-the-essential-questions-of-life/1001004011066350/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Here</a> (a paperback / softcover version), but I see it's also available <a href="http://www.amazon.de/Fluxus-Essential-Questions-Life-Jacquelynn/dp/0226033597/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389906709&sr=8-1&keywords=fluxus-and-the-essential-questions-of-life" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>, and a hardcover version <a href="http://www.libris.nl/artikel/jacquelynn-baas/fluxus-and-the-essential-questions-of-life/9780226033594?ProductID=8249752" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a> (there is a bookstore from Libris in Breda, too, so I think your local book shop might order it, too).</p>
<p>If you wish I can lend/send it to you, let me know! </p>
<p>As I have a huge pile of books-still-to-be-read, and this one isn't on top of this pile yet, I probably won't miss it, the coming years :-) .</p>
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<p>'Can never have enough labels', I didn't see it that way before, but I think you are right :-)</p> That book I still have to ord…tag:iuoma-network.ning.com,2014-01-16:2496677:Comment:14547152014-01-16T17:59:06.663ZRuud Janssenhttp://iuoma-network.ning.com/profile/RuudJanssen
<p>That book I still have to order. Where did you order it? (essential questions of life....)?</p>
<p>That book I still have to order. Where did you order it? (essential questions of life....)?</p> labels are always fun. You ne…tag:iuoma-network.ning.com,2014-01-16:2496677:Comment:14548242014-01-16T17:58:20.173ZRuud Janssenhttp://iuoma-network.ning.com/profile/RuudJanssen
<p>labels are always fun. You never can have enough of them.</p>
<p>labels are always fun. You never can have enough of them.</p> Diddo Heleen. Succinctly stat…tag:iuoma-network.ning.com,2014-01-12:2496677:Comment:14504762014-01-12T04:49:24.371ZAlicia Starrhttp://iuoma-network.ning.com/profile/AliciaStarr
Diddo Heleen. Succinctly stated.
Diddo Heleen. Succinctly stated. I agree with Ruud, who says w…tag:iuoma-network.ning.com,2014-01-09:2496677:Comment:14481292014-01-09T23:31:43.031ZHeleen de Vaanhttp://iuoma-network.ning.com/profile/HeleendeVaan
<p>I agree with Ruud, who says we should not worry about how people call our works, but just do our work.<br></br><br></br>However, apparently I need some 'labels', too :-)<br></br>To answer Ruud's question "<em>Are you working both in Mail-Art and Fluxus? If yes, what is the difference for you when you work in one of the fields</em>?", I have the following thoughts:<br></br><br></br>For me there's indeed a difference between the mail I'm sending out. I register (if I don't forget) my outgoing mail, and in my…</p>
<p>I agree with Ruud, who says we should not worry about how people call our works, but just do our work.<br/><br/>However, apparently I need some 'labels', too :-)<br/>To answer Ruud's question "<em>Are you working both in Mail-Art and Fluxus? If yes, what is the difference for you when you work in one of the fields</em>?", I have the following thoughts:<br/><br/>For me there's indeed a difference between the mail I'm sending out. I register (if I don't forget) my outgoing mail, and in my little archive (just a notebook) I distinguish my 'mail art' from my 'fluxus' mail. So in this notebook there's (abbreviated) MA mail and there's Flux mail.<br/><br/>For me, mail art is mainly Art: drawn, painted, certain collages (not all), and also stamp prints if I carved or designed the stamp by myself. And nowadays some fabric, thread and so too, when used in a more 'art' than 'craft' way. (Please don't misunderstand: I'm speaking for myself, not 'judging' others or so - every mail that has been sent to me by a mail artist I consider mail art! - unless they name it otherwise, of course :-) )<br/><br/>The pieces of my outgoing mail which I'm giving the label 'Flux' mainly is spontaneous, made fast (as to me 'fluxus', flowing, goes rapid - the word 'flux' pronounciated for Dutch sounds a bit like 'vlug' - fast). It is not always 'art'-like, and a little weird (not according to me, but according to narrow-minded people, or my brother :-). <br/>And by sending it to someone, there's communication, which also is essential, to my opinion, for fluxus.<br/>Examples of works I consider 'fluxus' rather than 'mail art', are e.g. pieces of wood in a not-really-appreciated-(by-the-post-company)-size-or-shape, sent 'naked'; a coaster; a cardboard package, altered a little (like <a href="http://nicovanhoorn-mail-art.blogspot.nl/2012/04/arriving_27.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this part of a pizza box</a>, alas you can't see the back side here); napkins in their original plastic package; <a href="http://nicovanhoorn-mail-art.blogspot.nl/2011/11/arriving_18.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the CD</a> I had found in the street, also sent 'naked' (but the post company protected it by adding an envelope, oh how I love this extra 'communication'!) and that kind of things.<br/><br/>Thinking this way, to my opinion also W. Reginald Bray is a Fluxus artist as well. For the ones who don't know him: he <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Englishman-Posted-Himself-Curious-Objects/dp/1568988729" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">posted himself</a>, and onions, and tried to post a baby (alas not accepted by the Royal Mail). More than 100 years ago!<br/><br/>Am I a 'real' fluxus artist when I call some of my outgoing mail 'fluxus'? To my opinion: 'yes', and maybe to other's opinions 'no'. So be it, it's okay, too. However, most people around me don't know what 'fluxus' is (they don't even know 'mail art'!..).<br/><br/>I happened to have bought a book in 2011, <a href="http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/F/bo11736660.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">'Fluxus and the essential questions of life</a>', edited by Jacquelynn Baas, and I didn't (take time to) read it, but I watched the pictures, and my conclusion was - and still is - that my idea of my own 'fluxus' is correct. At least for me.<br/>And I will think any other artist creating 'fluxus' art, too, when he or she considers it 'fluxus', too!</p> But by Visual Mom's words I l…tag:iuoma-network.ning.com,2014-01-09:2496677:Comment:14481082014-01-09T22:44:10.596ZHeleen de Vaanhttp://iuoma-network.ning.com/profile/HeleendeVaan
<p>But by Visual Mom's words I learned that sometimes the artist <em>is</em> the art critic (so there's only one chair) :-)</p>
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<p>But by Visual Mom's words I learned that sometimes the artist <em>is</em> the art critic (so there's only one chair) :-)</p>
<p> </p> when something irritates it h…tag:iuoma-network.ning.com,2013-12-28:2496677:Comment:14377722013-12-28T08:23:56.935ZRuud Janssenhttp://iuoma-network.ning.com/profile/RuudJanssen
<p>when something irritates it hits a nerve.</p>
<p>We shouldn't worry on what others call our work. We should only just do our work. Artists and art critics shouldn't sit in the same chair.</p>
<p>when something irritates it hits a nerve.</p>
<p>We shouldn't worry on what others call our work. We should only just do our work. Artists and art critics shouldn't sit in the same chair.</p> new artists still learn from…tag:iuoma-network.ning.com,2013-12-22:2496677:Comment:14340082013-12-22T07:49:48.138ZRuud Janssenhttp://iuoma-network.ning.com/profile/RuudJanssen
<p>new artists still learn from the past.Old artists are part of the past.</p>
<p>new artists still learn from the past.Old artists are part of the past.</p>